00:01
Trine Dahl Klubien
In Anna Ancher, The Funeral, I take it's a family saying goodbye to someone who passed away. Somebody has their back turned on us. I don't know if he's a church servant of some sort.

00:12
Trine Dahl Klubien
Obviously they're mourning, but it's a peaceful moment where they are saying goodbye to a loved one. And I take it that he's saying some words, the priest. And I love the very old school floristry in those wreaths hanging from the plateau of where the coffin is, and in the ceiling. 

00:31
Trine Dahl Klubien
The whole scene is very familiar to me. As a florist, you get to be involved with your clients' most private moments of birth and anniversaries and death.

00:42
Trine Dahl Klubien
I've had some really very tragic experiences with my clients. A couple came and ordered their wedding flowers and the guy turned up a week later and ordered her funeral flowers. She was pregnant and she had been run over by a truck.

01:00
Trine Dahl Klubien
That makes profound impressions on you. When you are hired as a florist to decorate the coffin, you are alone in that room with the coffin, just you and some flowers and all those echoing sounds.

01:13
Trine Dahl Klubien
The dark moodiness of the painting, the light that comes in from the window, the pink with the bluish blacks, I find it very beautiful and peaceful at the same time.

01:30
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
My name is Tina Jøhnk Christensen and I'm the host of Danish Originals, a podcast series created in partnership with the National Gallery of Denmark and the American Friends of the National Gallery of Denmark. Our goal is to celebrate Danish creatives who've made a mark in the US.

01:48
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
Today, our guest is Trine Dahl Klubien, a Danish florist with her own company, Blomst in Los Angeles. Welcome, Trine.

01:55
Trine Dahl Klubien
Thank you.

01:57
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
Trine, it is very nice to be here in your home in Glendale, where you also have your flower studio, your business. We are surrounded by beautiful flowers. What does a day in your work life look like? What would you do if we were not here right now?

02:14
Trine Dahl Klubien
Right now, I'd possibly still be out delivering my flowers, as I deliver all my own flowers, assisted occasionally by my husband Jørgen. At peak seasons, I have two or three girls to help me. Because I'm a perfectionist, so I want the flowers beautiful and perfect from my studio to the recipient. I want to make sure that they get them and there's no stems damaged, and everything looks great.

02:40
Trine Dahl Klubien
So I would probably be on my route in LA that I have daily. My day starts early in the morning around 5 am. I get up and I take my drive down to the LA Original Flower Market. In the morning before the rush hour traffic, it's about 15 minutes, which is crazy to think. Nothing is 15 minutes in LA.

03:00
Trine Dahl Klubien
Then I handpick all my flowers, every stem. I have a few trusted vendors, and I sometimes pre-order. And I pick it all up, and I drive home to my studio, and then I start creating my orders. I'm a day-to-day delivery kind of service, in a way. I get my orders up until midnight the day before.

03:22
Trine Dahl Klubien
And I have about 180 designs available on my website because I'm online only. And I have two marketplaces where I sell my flowers. The high end, you know, national service flower delivery online shops, or whatever you want to call it. I create all my flowers and handwritten notes.

03:43
Trine Dahl Klubien
The service of floral delivery is always carried out with a personal note from whoever sends the flowers to the recipient. And I find that a very beautiful aspect of my daily work life because people write the most personal things. And obviously I have — I am trusted with some personal messages, so like a messenger of love, really.

04:05
Trine Dahl Klubien
It's always very loving and actually the whole trait of being a florist is very positive. They take it very seriously, you know, my customers. And these are just my normal customers, if you could call it that. I have a wide base of clients and customers. Some just pop in on the internet and find me and order something and then they'll return.

04:30
Trine Dahl Klubien
And then I have celebrity clients, of course, and that's a whole other business. Because you might go to their home or you get a specific order and it's always a text like 10 minutes before they actually want it. And so that's another, whole other area. But in my sort of cozy day-to-day work life, I'm a messenger, for people, to other people, delivering beautiful flowers as natural as possible, because that's how I like them.

04:58
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
As you say, you make flower arrangements. Talk about your style. How would you describe it, Trine?

05:06
Trine Dahl Klubien
I grew up in Denmark, and I was very inspired by my parents. My mother was very aesthetic. My father was a painter outside of work life. And my grandmother, Astrid, she had a garden in her summer house that always has inspired me. It was like a cutting garden with all the beautiful plants and flowers available in the summertime, in the Danish summertime.

05:30
Trine Dahl Klubien
And you can actually find everything here. Because California, obviously, everything grows because the sun is always shining. So you don't have many seasons in that way. So I buy locally grown, mostly, but also obviously imported. I can't avoid that. Beautiful roses, et cetera. I would hand pick locally grown stems, like very classic flowers. And then I gather them in either bouquets or arrangements, and also flower boxes. And I make gift boxes as well.

05:58
Trine Dahl Klubien
My style is very Scandinavian, really, but also very Californian. I have made that mix of, you know, LA has such a particular vibe. The colors of LA are very dear to me, the pink and orange and golden lights of the sunsets. And it's called the Golden State. I have a lot of golden, pink colors, but all very pastel, and all very delicate and whimsical.

06:28
Trine Dahl Klubien
So I think I have quite a unique style for LA. And people are drawn to it because they don't really see much of it here. As my whole trade is looking at some picture online and getting attracted to that, that's the initial sale for me. Somebody looks online on my website, and they're like, oh, I love that one.

06:44
Trine Dahl Klubien
And people get very attached to one picture. Some people like something, and some people like something else. So it's very random in a way, but people come back and order the same arrangement again and again. Yeah.

06:57
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
Do you think of your work creating flower arrangement as an art form and a way to express yourself?

07:05
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yes, absolutely I do. I'm very drawn to colors and color palettes. And that was just a part of what attracted me to flowers. Colors are my main thing. It's just what excites me and what everything is about in my life. When moving to LA, it exploded because of the light here. The famous Hollywood light. Everything is golden and beautiful.

07:28
Trine Dahl Klubien
And as I was building my company, I started delivering. I've been to every corner of LA. The way the light hits everywhere, it's just an explosion of all these colors. And it's a deep inspiration. And yeah, I would say it completely dominates whatever I do. And obviously, as a creative person, you carry that into the way you dress, and the way you live.

07:51
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
And what does art mean to you? Do you get inspired by paintings or other art forms for your work? You mentioned nature, the Golden State.

08:00
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yeah, definitely nature. The older you get, the more it means to you. I hear many people say that, reaching my age and above. But yes, art has always been a big part of my life. My father was an art enthusiast, so I visited all the museums and went to exhibitions in Denmark. And me and Jørgen, we collect art, and yeah, I love female artists and colorists, and so yeah, I'm very drawn to and inspired by that. It means a lot to me, yes.

08:30
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
Your company Blomst is the Danish word for flower. Why did you pick a Danish word? And does it reflect your style? You talked a bit about that. Do you think you have a special Danish product to offer your clients? Or what were your thoughts behind all that?

08:47
Trine Dahl Klubien
My thoughts were quite elaborate, actually, because first I tried to call it something Native Indian, because we also live on a street with that name. But then you gotta be very careful. I had drawn something with feathers, but I didn't want to insult anybody, so I moved on. And then I thought "flower girl," but somebody was called that already.

09:07
Trine Dahl Klubien
And then I just went back to the basics and thought, well, what is a flower called in Danish? Blomst. And the funny thing is, I called it Blomst Los Angeles or Blomst LA. But it's just been reduced, in a good way, to Blomst. And people don't know how to pronounce it. So is it "bloomst" or "blomest" or you name it, in the flower market, but now they all know: Blomst, when I come.

09:29
Trine Dahl Klubien
And yeah, I thought it's pretty simple, and apart from people not being able to pronounce it, it's quite cool, I think. And I found out that other people think that too, because a lot of people since then have been calling their shops Blomst. Well, there's only one me, so I don't really mind that much. And then also Royal Copenhagen made their new porcelain line Blomst Copenhagen.

09:53
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
We are in Los Angeles, the film capital, where a lot of actors, also referred to as movie stars, live and work. You have a lot of famous clients, Foo Fighters, Juno Temple, Sharon Stone, Julia Garner, Ana de Armas, Angela Bassett, just to mention a few of them.

10:12
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yes.

10:13
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
What does it mean to your business that you have this kind of clientele?

10:17
Trine Dahl Klubien
Well, it's a funny thing, really, because I'm very discreet about mentioning it. And that's a style that all of us who deliver to these people, and it's just a style. You don't brag about it on your Instagram.

10:29
Trine Dahl Klubien
I'm just going to talk about one funny story. Gene Simmons of KISS was throwing a party, and he lives in LA, obviously. It was in my early days, and I had my son with me, I can't remember why. And I came to his house, and it was a big gate. And I didn't know then that, obviously, when you enter that gate, there's always a really long way up to the actual house.

10:49
Trine Dahl Klubien
But I thought, I'll just park out here, and then call the bell. And we were bussed in, the doors shut behind us, and I realized that it was like at Queen's Palace and it was a long walk up to the actual house. But we were in and I couldn't really do anything. So me and my son, we carried these flowers up in some boxes.

11:05
Trine Dahl Klubien
And then he had some very big dogs that came running towards us and barked. And it all became a little bit heated. But we managed to calm down the dogs and enter the house. And they were all like, why didn't you drive up? What are you doing?

11:18
Trine Dahl Klubien
A lot of funny things. Billy Crystal, I've visited. He was playing tennis, so he had to stop the game and came out and talked to me. And, yeah, Sharon Stone I delivered to quite a lot, and her sister. Johnny Depp, I've delivered to.

11:32
Trine Dahl Klubien
But it's not very personal. It's not like they call me up and we have a chit chat and then, Oh, can you make me some flowers? It's an assistant texting me all of a sudden and then they heard about me or something like that. It's very random actually sometimes.

11:44
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
Do you look at the personality of the client before you create something, like stylists do, or makeup artists do, for instance? You think about the personality?

11:55
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yeah, I do. One of my regular clients, she's a celebrity stylist, and she often uses me for photo shoots, and then I'll get like a little mood for whatever is going on, and then I'll make some flowers for them.

12:07
Trine Dahl Klubien
But, I have to say, even with my day-to-day orders, I often look at the note. And then I get a feeling, and then I always check. Sometimes it's from the same home, like the husband to the wife, or sometimes it's from a family member abroad. And it's all very personal. So I take it in, and feel it a little bit, and then I think, oh, I wonder if they liked it. And so I'm very involved in my flowers in that way. I really put my heart into it, I have to say, yes.

12:34
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
You have an education as a graphic designer, and you were 24 when you opened a flower store in Copenhagen. It was near Kongens Nytorv, which is very famous in Copenhagen. How did you make that jump from being a graphic designer?

12:48
Trine Dahl Klubien
It was always this feeling since when I was in high school and I needed to figure out, do I go to university, or what am I gonna do? My father influenced me a lot because he was a printer for the breweries in Denmark, and he also did art prints and stuff. He influenced me with painting techniques, and I started taking drawing lessons and stuff.

13:11
Trine Dahl Klubien
And then I had the opportunity in an advertising agency and worked my way up. I was asked, so where do you want to go, and I chose the desktop department or the graphic design department because I didn't really feel like being an art director. I felt, is this really me? I didn't really feel certain about my creative outlet. And then, going through this graphic training, I mean, I loved it. But I felt like there was something else and it wasn't in that agency.

13:39
Trine Dahl Klubien
I don't know how it came to me, but I just started taking a great interest in flowers and arranging them and then I took it further and took some courses and taught myself. Then on a trip walking in Copenhagen, I saw that my absolute favorite flower shop in Pistol Street was for sale and I was like, I gotta buy that. I mean, I didn't have that much money.

14:00
Trine Dahl Klubien
So back in that day, you could actually go to the bank and say to the manager, which I did, I would like to buy this flower shop and can you help me? And he could, he knew the shop. It's kind of really old school. So I took out a loan and bought it and then just jumped in. It was a bit of a catastrophe in the beginning for about a few weeks.

14:20
Trine Dahl Klubien
But then, I had somebody who was hired by the previous owner. She stayed with me and it all became wonderful and it was a beautiful shop. So the transition from graphic design to flowers, I say again, the main thing was the colors. And the colors of doing graphic design and just all the colors that I could create with the flowers, it felt similar in a way to me. Yeah.

14:44
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
And you had great clientele there, too, in Copenhagen.

14:48
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yeah, because I was placed right across from a sweet little courtyard in the shape of a pistol. And it was the Danish fashion mogul Birger Christensen who owned it before he sold it to Lego. It had some really luxurious shops and restaurants. And one of them was L'Alsace and it was a beautiful little place with a semi outdoor seating area where lots of politicians came and got very drunk. They were always at lunch.

15:13
Trine Dahl Klubien
Often I could look out the window and it would be like Björk. And Bono from U2 sat there when he was in Copenhagen. All sorts of famous people. And the Danish author Susanne Brøgger was one of my clients. And Ghita Nørby. It was just a little gem of a shop that was started by someone else. And then I carried it and I made it my own.

15:34
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
A little side note. Did you say that the politicians were drunk at lunch time?

15:39
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yes, definitely. It's Denmark. Very European.

15:43
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
What motivate you businesswise?

15:46
Trine Dahl Klubien
It's just an urge and energy I have for doing new things, getting new ideas, and expanding. Not expanding in terms of having employees and stuff. That's a very deliberate decision that I'm just myself, because I had many years with employees in Denmark, and it was lovely people, but the whole ins-and-outs of doing all their salaries, I'm over that. And I'm very happy in my little studio alone. It's very zen and peaceful for me.

16:18
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
And one might romanticize having a flower shop in a beautiful place like Glendale, California, in this little oasis that you've created. But I imagine that it's not only that. What is it like? You are a businesswoman, afterall.

16:38
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yeah, I love it, it's very hard work, it's physically very hard work. I'm not a large person, so I've worked my body down a little bit over the years. But I have something inside me, and this goes for all florists that keep on doing it. It's a passion.

16:51
Trine Dahl Klubien
Because it's early hours, it's pretty rough on the flower market. You gotta trade, you gotta deal, you gotta keep them on their toes. You gotta complain, you gotta get the prices down. They're tough, they smile. But obviously you build up relationships and then they know they can't sell you the old stuff.

17:08
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yeah, so there's that element and then you have to update your web shop. And obviously I can do all that because I was trained in doing all that so that helps. And then you have all the after hours looking at the orders for tomorrow, writing all the cards, creating new images, putting it up on the website and stuff.

17:27
Trine Dahl Klubien
But I find it very rewarding. I always work somehow. But it's a free kind of work, because I don't have to answer to anybody. And I'm my own boss. But it's a lot of physical work. So every time I meet girls, "Oh, I want a flower shop as well. Isn't it just the most lovely job?" And it is, but you have to be prepared to do a lot of physical labor. And yeah, that's a part of it.

17:51
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
And you've been in Los Angeles for about ten years?

17:55
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yeah.

17:57
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
What is it like being a Dane in Los Angeles?

18:00
Trine Dahl Klubien
I don't think about it too much. I know there's a lot of lovely Danes like yourself. And I feel very, very welcomed here and very just happy here. And that started the minute I got off the plane, I think. Jørgen picked me up in the airport, and I'm like, yeah, I like it here. I see the traffic and all the other things, like homeless people and pollution. A lot of us do, obviously.

18:28
Trine Dahl Klubien
I don't find it big and intimidating and I don't think of it as a huge place. I see all the beauty. I actually find it very intimate and spiritual and just lovely. Yeah, I couldn't say more. I couldn't say enough good things about it.

18:45
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
And since we have now mentioned Jørgen quite a few times, maybe you would tell us who your husband is and how you guys met.

18:53
Trine Dahl Klubien
Sure. Jørgen and I have this funny story, that my elder sister and Jørgen's elder sister, they are married to two of three brothers, and they live in a little community. The two brothers have one big house that they share and the younger brother, my sister's husband, has a home right opposite in northern Copenhagen.

19:14
Trine Dahl Klubien
So we met there because our families are intertwined. Jørgen brought his son to New Year's Eve, and I brought my son. I was divorced, and Jørgen was divorced. And then we met there, and they tried to put us together. And it didn't work at first. I think Jørgen — I should introduce him.

19:30
Trine Dahl Klubien
He's a Danish singer / animator, a multi artist. When he was young, he came here, and he's been here for 45 years, working as an animator, and then simultaneously having the band Danseorkestret in Denmark, which had a hit record in the '80s, and he keeps performing.

19:49
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yeah, we met, and at first, it didn't really work out, because Jørgen had decided, no more Danish girlfriends, they always want to move back home. And I didn't really think much of the whole thing. I met his children, and his ex wife, we all became friends. So I actually hung out a lot with my son Miles and Jørgen's children, and his ex-wife, when he was here. It was kind of funny, very modern.

20:12
Trine Dahl Klubien
And then we all got to know each other. And the next step was, is Jørgen going to move back to Denmark? It's always been the big question in his family. I felt, I think not right now, so maybe I should just go and visit him. So I visited, and then, I thought, why don't I try and go over there?

20:27
Trine Dahl Klubien
And it just so happened that the job I had at the time, another flower shop, was ending. My friend and I had a little flower shop, and I was free to go. And as I have my son by myself, I could bring him. And he's a very extroverted, happy little dude at the time, seven years old. And I had seen that on this street there were about five boys the same age as him. And the neighbors took me down to see the local school, and I felt, I'm gonna try and take him over here.

20:57
Trine Dahl Klubien
And so in united fronts with Jørgen's kids and my son, as much as they understood at the age they were seven, nine, and eleven at the time, we tried to move over here for three months. It did work out. Jørgen's kids were born here, both of them, so they are Americans. And then we just made it work, and we just go back and forth. Jørgen's daughter and son have been here and gone to school at times, and we went to Denmark for a while. It's a funny little dualistic way of living.

21:29
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
Sounds perfect, sounds wonderful. And you mentioned that Jørgen, whose full name is Jørgen Klubien, made a home for himself here a long time ago. Now it's your home, too. Do you feel at home here in LA? And what does feeling home entail for you?

21:48
Trine Dahl Klubien
When I came, I said, Okay, this house needs a little bit of a caring, loving hand, and somebody who loves it. And I loved it immediately. And I don't know what it is. It's just a very beautiful space. And I'm, I guess, a positive person, because it needed a lot of work, and it's got a massive forest-like garden that sometimes drives us insane.

22:08
Trine Dahl Klubien
But at the same time, it's very beautiful. And it's unusual to have a garden like this, a very natural garden in this city of angels. But yes, I feel very much at home in LA and in the home, in our house here. We really love going to antique markets and finding little things and painting some color.

22:28
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
You do live here in America now. What are the things that you emphasize when you tell American friends and colleagues about Denmark?

22:37
Trine Dahl Klubien
I always find it very difficult to explain, and I always find that once people have visited us here, they start to understand what it's about with LA. Because some people just don't like it. But luckily most of my friends and family love it as well. I think what I love about it is just that feeling of freedom and the non-judgmental, very friendly — that's very Southern California as well.

23:04
Trine Dahl Klubien
Everything is open and friendly. The gardens are not closed off by hedges and it's just very warm and inviting. And people are very supportive and cheering, I think. And when you come from a small, beautiful, and lovely country like Denmark, there is this little law that we all know, the Jante Law, where you always feel a bit like you shouldn't be too keen or excited in talking about yourself because, no, take it easy now, not too much bragging.

23:34
Trine Dahl Klubien
And that's what I like here. It's much more freeing. Nobody thinks you're bragging if you post something about yourself. It's a little bit less judgmental. And that's not because I don't love Denmark as well. I do. I love our down to earthness and ability to just not be too impressed by celebrities and all that, which is the opposite to LA or the States in general.

23:56
Trine Dahl Klubien
They just adore celebrities, maybe sometimes a little bit too much, I think. It's almost like they can never fail. As long as you're a celebrity, you're just like a god or something. It can get out of hand a little bit. But what I emphasize is the freedom, I think, the freedom to make something of yourself here, like that American Dream feeling.

24:16
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
And when you tell American colleagues about Denmark, how do you describe Denmark to them?

24:22
Trine Dahl Klubien
I describe it as the perfect little fairy tale country, which of course it's not. But it is in many ways still, because it's so well organized, it's well made, we have a deep, interesting history. I love Danish history and whenever we're in Denmark, we go to a lot of the castles and I take an interest in how Denmark came about and how we lost big parts of Norway and Sweden.

24:46
Trine Dahl Klubien
I love Greenland. I love everything about Scandinavia, and I'm very proud of it. And I can feel that people here are very interested in that. And I lived in England as well for a while, and they were always like, so you're Danish? What on earth are you doing here? And you get a little bit of that here as well, because I think, for an American, the state of the times we're in, they're very concerned about weapons and shootings. But, nothing is perfect, not even Denmark, but it's pretty close.

25:14
Trine Dahl Klubien
That's what I tell people. It's a beautiful place to live, everything is taken care of. We've got a mutual collective care for each other, and we're basically what they want to do here is what we already had for many years. So we got a lot to be proud of in Denmark, I think, and Bernie Sanders trying to get that healthcare dream come true — I hope it comes true one day.

25:39
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
What is your favorite Danish word and why? And please spell it to our English speaking listeners so they can get an idea of what the word looks like in writing.

25:51
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yes. I'm gonna take a complicated one. Kærlighed. I think it's a really pretty word and it's got a profound meaning, obviously, as it means love. And do you want me to spell it?

26:04
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
Yes, please.

26:05
Trine Dahl Klubien
K- and then the Danish æ — "æ" — k-æ-r-l-i-g-h-e-d. Kærlighed. I just love that word. It's obviously beautiful because of the meaning, but also the spelling. There are two words in it in a way. Kærlig also means to be caring and loving to someone. And kærlighed is just a very old Danish word that has a great meaning to me.

26:32
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
And translated it means love.

26:35
Trine Dahl Klubien
Love, which sounds very simple, but that is also what it's all about, isn't it?

26:40
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
It is, indeed. What is your relationship to Denmark and Danish culture now that you've been gone for about a decade?

26:48
Trine Dahl Klubien
I just get more and more into it. I appreciate it much more than I did when I lived there. If you're a wanderlust, you get a little bored in Denmark at times. I can also miss it terribly, but that's also an age thing, because when you get older, you start to remember your memories in a different way, and you get the realization that this is not ever coming back again.

27:09
Trine Dahl Klubien
So that's a part of it. Like my childhood with my father, who's not here anymore and stuff. But I appreciate Denmark so very much, and I love it. So I miss it, but not in a sentimental, painful way. Just in a happy way, and I love going back there as often as I can.

27:28
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
Do you feel mainly Danish, or has the way you see yourself changed?

27:32
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yeah, I feel much more myself after I moved here. Not that I wasn't happy with myself before. It's a weird thing. I've always wanted more than just being in Denmark. And sometimes I wish I didn't have that streak in me because it would have been a bit more simple maybe.

27:47
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yeah, it's a dualism that I have with me, and you obviously know it. You're two people without being a schizophrenic. It's a beautiful thing, and the best thing is that Jørgen has it, and our three kids have it. So we can share that. We know it's difficult sometimes, because when you're apart from something, you're physically not there, so you can't be with those people.

28:12
Trine Dahl Klubien
And that can be very difficult to understand for children. But also for a grownup. I'm away, I'm not there. But then you can FaceTime and you can Skype and write a text or whatever, an email, and then you feel close to those people again.

28:25
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
My last question for you. What are your goals for the future? What would you like to achieve still? And maybe you can give us an idea of what's on your bucket list.

28:37
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yeah, first of all, I'm a very atypical person in relation to setting a top five goal. I'm terrible at that. I'm actually very content. I've actually done what I wanted with my life in terms of creating something. But I have a natural urge, if I went somewhere else, I would probably get that feeling all over again, like, Oh, let's go to Portland, maybe, I could open a shop here. I could definitely want to do that.

29:03
Trine Dahl Klubien
But the only thing I've thought about is changing my skills into maybe shaping clay and becoming a ceramic artist. Because it also has that toughness, it's not as easy as it looks, and you have to handle that clay, and it's a bit dirty, and your hands get a bit dirty. So it appeals to me, and I love the colors of the glazing. So that's on my bucket list.

29:29
Trine Dahl Klubien
And I've even pinpointed where I want the workshop in the house. And then we could also have one in Denmark. And that could free my time. I can't leave my business that often, because I'm a one person band. So I can't just take off and close Blomst for years. I can be away for about one and a half months in the summer, and then occasionally, so that would free some time to be in Denmark more. If I could become a ceramic artist, that's something I'm interested in.

29:58
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
It actually sounds like those two could be combined.

30:00
Trine Dahl Klubien
Yeah, and putting flowers into the vases and stuff, yes. Yeah, I'm very interested in that, and I was close to buying the whole machinery, but then we got a tax bill, so we're waiting a little bit.

30:14
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
Okay, thank you so much for your time, Trine.

30:16
Trine Dahl Klubien
You're welcome.

30:17
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
We really appreciate it.

30:18
Trine Dahl Klubien
Thank you.

30:22
Tina Jøhnk Christensen
For today's episode, Trine Klubien chose Anna Archer's En begravelse or A Funeral from 1891 from the collection of the National Gallery of Denmark.